Curse

Tokar Terrius · Sep 30, 2007, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Where is that thread? Because it's not this one.

All the curse and slang words are in dictionary. That doesn't make them appropriate for use in game.

And if you cannot tell why erection is a problematic word, then you may encounter problems, and find the system unjust.

1. Erection is not a curse or slang word.
2. If it's inappropriate then it should be in the name filter so it can't be used.
3. Maybe you would care to explain to me exactly why erection is a problematic and offensive word? because I "cannot tell".

cebalrai · Sep 30, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

Gaile, have you actually read ANY of this thread? 90% of the replies on this thread are telling you how very UNHAPPY they are with this system. I'm currently on a 3 day ban because I used a character called "minimum erection" Forgive me if i'm wrong but erection is in the dictionary! This is far from having a char named "Eat My Juicy c0ck", isnt it?

Extremely disheartened with the state of GW at the moment. That's a whole other rant that I won't bore you with though.

1) It doesn't matter how many people post complaints on this thread. It's not in any way an accurate representation of the GW community. All it tells us is that a few people dislike it and posted about it. People who are okay with the system are much less likely to login and post/argue.

2) Your name is offensive. You never should have gone there. Read the rules if you're confused.

glountz · Sep 30, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

1. Erection is not a curse or slang word.
2. If it's inappropriate then it should be in the name filter so it can't be used.
3. Maybe you would care to explain to me exactly why erection is a problematic and offensive word? because I "cannot tell".

Yeah, yeah. Bastard, troll, are words in the dictionnary. If I call you these two names, will you see "oh it's not offensive"?
After all, a bastard is only an illegitimate child, and a troll, a fantastic creature. You see? Minimum erection, even if not intrinsically offensive, is there employed in an offensive manner. Do you really think this guy were not refering to his, or a, dick?

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Originally Posted by Allience

i saw the green msg of a person being reported in AB today. we were leading by far and NOBODY in the team chat complained about any leeches. this poor fool was just another victim of the report abuse. u can chek the reports log if u think i'm making up stories.

... If people reported this leecher, that is that people complained about him. After all, reporting someone is complaining about his behavior. Unless you would have prefered that his team cry over the chat "WE HAVE A LEECHER! <insert name here> IS A LEECHER"
There's no abuse.

cebalrai · Sep 30, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

1. Erection is not a curse or slang word.
2. If it's inappropriate then it should be in the name filter so it can't be used.
3. Maybe you would care to explain to me exactly why erection is a problematic and offensive word? because I "cannot tell".

The real question is why you're even arguing that it's perfectly within the naming rules to be named after aroused reproductive organs.

Almost as big of a mystery is why any of us are bothering to debate this with you, lol

NoXiFy · Sep 30, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

I got reported for having a sometimes slow load due to Wireless connection -_-. They thought that I purposely d/c'ed to leave the match.

Tokar Terrius · Sep 30, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Of course I understand why I got banned for that name. The problem is I think it very unlikely I was reported because they took actual offence to me having a character named "Minimum Erection". I was no doubt reported for using a touch ranger or dancing on a corpse or laughing at someone. ANET have handed every player a cloak and dagger and told us to police ourselves and expect it to work. It's an absolute farce.

Antheus · Sep 30, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

Of course I understand why I got banned for that name. The problem is I think it very unlikely I was reported because they took actual offence to me having a character named "Minimum Erection".

If someone uses /report, you cannot enter the arena for 10 minutes.

If someone reports your name as offensive, they do it via support.plaync.com. That is where you get banned.

/report system is currently automatic and unchecked, but does not result in ban, unless you'd abuse it and go on a /report spree.

o m g pizowned · Oct 01, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

there is no way for this system to be good. kids will report to be kids. there are positives and negatives, and the negatives are greater.

Tokar Terrius · Oct 01, 2007, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by Antheus

If someone uses /report, you cannot enter the arena for 10 minutes.

If someone reports your name as offensive, they do it via support.plaync.com. That is where you get banned.

/report system is currently automatic and unchecked, but does not result in ban, unless you'd abuse it and go on a /report spree.

Players can now use the /report command to report other players for inappropriate or anti-social behavior.

* Targeting a player and typing /report or /report followed by a player's name will open a new report dialog panel. From this panel, you can report a chosen player for leeching, botting, spamming, using abusive language, or having an inappropriate character name. Reports will then be relayed and reviewed by the Guild Wars Support team.

It is part of the report system. I know that the support staff make the final decision and dish out the ban.

Antheus · Oct 01, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

It is part of the report system. I know that the support staff make the final decision and dish out the ban.

Interesting. Guess I'll have to report someone to see how the whole things works.

At least now you know not to use sexually oriented terminology for your character's name.

But the system works as intended. In this particular case, there really is nothing wrong with it.

Tokar Terrius · Oct 01, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

In most certainly does work as intended. It's the way its intended to work that I have a problem with. No-one knows where they stand. We know we can't be "anti-social" but what is anti-social? Can I call someone a stupid prat for over extending or screwing up aggro without fear of getting another account flag? Can I tell a guild member to piss off and kick him because his was spamming guild chat without fear of another flag? We know we can't have inappropriate character names. But no-where in the rules of conduct is it detailed what is deemed inappropriate. Should I be reporting chars like Devils Servant, or Porno Starr or is it just arroused sexual organs? There is no clarity. This system is mayhem.

Loviatar · Oct 01, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

Of course I understand why I got banned for that name. The problem is I think it very unlikely I was reported because they took actual offence to me having a character named "Minimum Erection". I was no doubt reported for using a touch ranger or dancing on a corpse or laughing at someone. ANET have handed every player a cloak and dagger and told us to police ourselves and expect it to work. It's an absolute farce.

first off there is a different process for a ban for names than the time out /report gives.

due to the backlog you could have had your name reported a week ago.

Tela · Oct 01, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

If you are offended by the word erection, you should thank god for erections because without them you wouldn't exist. And if you still are offended then i suggest you people need to learn to ignore things that you don't like and leave other people be. get over yourselves. This holier then thou bs always comes from some toe tapper meth head church leader type. My point being that the only people who /report are people who /fail and use this feature to not feel so shitty about themselves because they got pwned by a toucher or got left by someone smart enough to realize when a match is over.

Had this come out a year or two ago i might have given it a chance but this is too much too late if you will. Maybe instead of adding useless crap thats not wanted, maybe fix the rubberbanding lag or make HA like it used to be before all the horrific changes. If you cant afford the man power to do something like this then dont even try to outsource it to the very people you are trying to get rid of.

Real world example: You accidentally cut someone off,while driving to work.

What would happen: The person you cut off /reports you for unsportsmanlike driving and your engine cuts off and you are stranded on the interstate until the hex wears off.

Yeah Basically i see this system as 90% abuse and 9% coulda just moved on with life and 1% stopping leavers, jerks etc. really im never gonna RA/TA/AB again unless this crap is gone. They should change it to NA for nazi arenas.

Floski · Oct 01, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Omniclasm

So...you are supporting leavers and saying that it is quicker to leave and join another?

There is a place that you can get the perfect team you desire. It is called TA. This is called Random Arena, not Leave-until-you-get-the-team-you-want Arena

It's also not called "Join get a shit team with an escape ranger that won't resign when his entire team is dead and won't res so you have to wait until the timer winds down arena".

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Well done. Implement a bad system and then insult the community.

WELCOME TO GAILE GREY.

cebalrai · Oct 01, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

In most certainly does work as intended. It's the way its intended to work that I have a problem with. No-one knows where they stand. We know we can't be "anti-social" but what is anti-social? Can I call someone a stupid prat for over extending or screwing up aggro without fear of getting another account flag? Can I tell a guild member to piss off and kick him because his was spamming guild chat without fear of another flag? We know we can't have inappropriate character names. But no-where in the rules of conduct is it detailed what is deemed inappropriate. Should I be reporting chars like Devils Servant, or Porno Starr or is it just arroused sexual organs? There is no clarity. This system is mayhem.

You didn't get banned for playing a toucher or dancing on a corpse. You got banned for having an illegal name. Stop acting like a damn victim.

Maybe someone reported your name, maybe not. Anet has banned/deleted TONS of characters for their names over the past few years. And they did it all without the /report system. So don't assume for a second that you were reported by a player.

But even if you were, fine. It's clear that you shouldn't do what you did, but you did it anyway. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

You intentionally created a character with an illegal name. Anet says don't make any names that are offensive and you go and make one about aroused male sex organs. If you didn't think this would be considered offensive in a mainstream game like Guild Wars, then you're a dullard. This is YOUR fault 100%.

Would I report you? No, because (generally) I don't care enough to do so. But one of my guildmates plays this game with his son and daughter, who are 12 and 14 years old. I would NOT fault him for pointing out your illegal and inappropriate (to children at the very least) name to Anet so that they can be the judge.

One more thing, trying to cloud your offense by bringing up examples of "gray area" names doesn't help your case. It's a rationalization you've constructed to help you stay entrenched in your victim thinking. Stop blaming other players, stop blaming Anet, and take responsibility for your bad decision.

Antheus · Oct 01, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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We know we can't be "anti-social" but what is anti-social?

This is what the family and school should teach. Sadly, yes, too many are unaware what being polite means.

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Can I call someone a stupid prat for over extending or screwing up aggro without fear of getting another account flag?

Generally, no, unless you know them personally, and know how they'll react. Others may disprove of it.

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Can I tell a guild member to piss off and kick him because his was spamming guild chat without fear of another flag?

No.

You ask politely to stop spamming. If the do not follow, warn them you'll be removing them for bothering others.

If they don't remove them from guild.

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We know we can't have inappropriate character names.

There is no clarity. This system is mayhem.

Common sense.

cebalrai · Oct 01, 2007, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Tela

If you are offended by the word erection, you should thank god for erections because without them you wouldn't exist. And if you still are offended then i suggest you people need to learn to ignore things that you don't like and leave other people be. get over yourselves. This holier then thou bs always comes from some toe tapper meth head church leader type. My point being that the only people who /report are people who /fail and use this feature to not feel so shitty about themselves because they got pwned by a toucher or got left by someone smart enough to realize when a match is over.

Had this come out a year or two ago i might have given it a chance but this is too much too late if you will. Maybe instead of adding useless crap thats not wanted, maybe fix the rubberbanding lag or make HA like it used to be before all the horrific changes. If you cant afford the man power to do something like this then dont even try to outsource it to the very people you are trying to get rid of.

Real world example: You accidentally cut someone off,while driving to work.

What would happen: The person you cut off /reports you for unsportsmanlike driving and your engine cuts off and you are stranded on the interstate until the hex wears off.

Yeah Basically i see this system as 90% abuse and 9% coulda just moved on with life and 1% stopping leavers, jerks etc. really im never gonna RA/TA/AB again unless this crap is gone. They should change it to NA for nazi arenas.

Tela, I'd encourage you to go to AB. You'll see that the leech/leaver problem has been essentially SOLVED. This is a truly impressive move on Anet's part, since leeching/leaving has regularly ruined some sorts of pvp for years. For it to be so effectively dealt with in one stroke is pretty awesome.

Yes, there are occasional rare incidents of abuse. I've AB'd about 60-70 games this weekend though and never observed abuse or heard anyone complain about it in the game. The /reports I saw were all game-long leechers (there were still a small number of them even with the system in place). So I'm standing by my position that abuse is rare.

So... holy crap try to be a teeny tiny bit patient and let Anet go through their planned /report refinement process. They said they planned to test the system this weekend and then work on improving it. So... why not see how the /report system looks after another week of development attention?

All this "ZOMG THROW THE SYSTEM OUT ANET FTL IM QUITTING GAME OVR" crap that people are spewing on this forum is shameful. Post your opinion and move on. Have enough character as a human being to show a shred of patience. Why does it always have to be instant gratification versus catastrophe around here???

Tokar Terrius · Oct 01, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Tokar Terrius

Of course I understand why I got banned for that name.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Stop acting like a damn victim.

I'm not arguing that I shouldnt have been banned. So don't make me out to be playing a victim. The grey areas im pointing out aren't a defense to my particular ban. I'm not defending my ban. I'm trying to point out that we shouldnt have to watch our every move in fear of the /report system. People should be able to vent there angers ingame, to call someone a prat, to be called a prat...Is it really viable to mute the games population with an anti-social behaviour report tool? This isnt a black and white problem but they're using a black and white tool to police it. You are either anti-social or you're not.....and we're not going to tell you where the line is.

Yes if people use common sense then i'm sure it would work perfectly, but lets face it..Would you credit 100% of the GW community with the common sense that has been so generously bestowed upon you?

If ANET had any common sense they would have known this system was utter BS before they started it.

Here's to the GW police state.....may we all play quietly and peacefully.

Yea right..............

cebalrai · Oct 01, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

I'm quite certain that your concerns will be a priority when Anet refines the /report system this week. Just be patient.

Esan · Oct 01, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Me, I think the report system is bringing a modicum of sanity to random format PvP. I had given up on them because of the amount of sheer abuse, both of mechanics and other players. I applaud the community trying to police their own. Give it a month or two and we just might see that rarest of sights, a well behaved PvP community.

The sort of person who considers "Mega Fail * 10^10" as brilliant commentary will feel the community's policing the hardest, no doubt, but they were going to have to grow up eventually one way or another.